>> the election, you know, the election, seems to me it was a rejection of denialism, extremism, of intolerance. the heritage foundation represents all of those, and i think heritage was influential, really, in the reagan years, maybe a little bit in the bush years. but it's lost some of its luster. partly because the republican brand is staina stained brand with a shrinking base. >> let's hope it's lost some of its luster. do you think, though that someone like jim demint again, newly fired up and perhaps now on a mission could restore the luster of something like the heritage foundation? >> you know i don't see a new -- him newly fired up. i see him newly expelled. he took himself out of the running but, you know, look at what's happened. all of what he stood for has been rejected. obamacare is the law of the land. he fought against that very hard. he fought against reproductive rights. he fought against gay rights. he fought against immigrant rights and coming out of this election, you had marriage quality and a rebuke to todd aiken, the senator who spoke about legitimate rape a man senator